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Post Where is Moi in all this crap
Moi went around the villages and shopping centers telling poor peasants that Kibaki is the one who will bring peace and tranquility. Sasa wapi??
I think Moi, Bewott and all the other suspect characters have blood on their hands or at least a case to answer. They can hide all they want to but they never run away from this one.

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ATI KIBAKI IS A SYNBOL OF NATIONAL UNITY.

SHOOTING OF DEMONTRASTORS IS A SYNBOL OF NATIONAL UNITY?


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Moi went into shock for a couple of days when his sons got their as*ses handed to them & when he realized that biikabkutit didn't elect even ONE Kanu member of parliament.....to us, KANU IS DEAD and/or went back to 'WENJEWE'...good riddance......we could care less :lol:

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My sources say he (Moi) is out of the country.Kogotorokan!!

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Cheptilda wrote:
My sources say he (Moi) is out of the country.Kogotorokan!!


my guess is, Mzee Moi is probably chilling in Sacho, enjoying a kisietab kimietab beek, may be a fresh roasted bendab artet along with a sotet full of mursik to wash it all down good while laughing to himself as he watches how the student Kibaki learned from the master :lol: .....not to crash party, I just simply think that this time though, Kenyans won't let those two morons and their elite get away with squandering their god given rights...trust me, Raiya will win this fight...it's just a matter of time in my humble tongilo opinion :D

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HII BWANA CHEMOSI.HAPPY NEW YEAR MA MEN! Hope you got my message.
You know we HAVE ALWAYS CHOOSED TO AGREE TO DISAGREE.I have always respected your point of views.I know where you stand in the current situation.But having said that, I beg to disagree on something about what Moi said before this contentious elections came to pass.

Moi never said that Kibaki was this Mr. Nice guy.What he meant was that Kibaki was a guy who could be able to unite most of the Kenyan tribes together due to what he had seen as a very polorized and tribalised campaigns.

I had told some of my friends that I was forseeing a situation where if Raila won the elections, he might not have lasted in that seat for long.The Kikuyus wouldn't have let him be.They might have tried to assassinate him or something like that.This is just an assessment/conjecture folks.So don't accuse me of something.Raila would have gone after the peceived Kikuyu corruptors with vigor.They wouldn't have taken that lying down though.There would have been fighting along what Kenya is experiencing.The Kikuyu dominated military might not have liked it.And you don't have to be an Einstein to figure out what might have happened next.
And don't forget that. THE MAJIMBO DEBATE DIDN'T HELP.It's almost a Prophecy to the Kikuyu's now that all this KILLING EACH OTHER AND CHASING PEOPLE TO KISII AND CENTRAL HAS HAPPENED.Now I think that the Kikuyus believe from the bottom of their Hearts that what Raila and ODM meant for them is EXACTLY WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THEM.

Moi FORSAW THIS SCENARIO GOING TO HAPPEN.That's why he supported ODM during the Change The Constitution Referendum and not ODM as a Party.Now I hear some people saying that WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW IN KENYA IS MAJIMBO-ODM STYLE!

Don't get me wrong.I have never been an ADVOCATE FOR MR. MOI.I NEVER "ATE" ANY UGALI FROM HIM OR HIS BUDDIES.TO SOME EXTEND, HE WAS A DICTATOR.SO WAS KENYATTA TOO!!But he did some good for the Kalenjins.And I don't want members to be carried away by this ODM MANIA that they SOON FORGET SOME OF THE GOOD DEEDS THIS MZEE DID.

This is how Caroline Elkins, an associate Professor of African Studies at Harvard University put it yesterday when commenting about the politically instigated genocide..."Among other manoeuvres, the British drew electoral boundaries to cut the representation of groups they thought might cause trouble and empowered the provincial administration to manipulate supposedly democratic outcomes.

Old habits die hard. Three years after Kenya became independent in 1963, the Luo-Kikuyu alliance fell apart. Kenyatta and his Kikuyu elite took over the State; Oginga Odinga formed an opposition party that was eventually quashed. Kenyatta established a one-party State in 1969 and tossed the opposition, including Odinga, into detention, much as the British had done to him and his cronies during colonial rule in the 1950s. The Kikuyu then enjoyed many of the countryís spoils.

The Kikuyuís fortunes took a turn for the worse when Daniel arap Moi, a member of the Kalenjin ethnic minority, assumed dictatorial power in 1978. He managed to hang on for more than two decades. Western Kenya enjoyed the economic benefits of state largesse until 2002, at which point the pendulum again swung back to the Kikuyu, led by the incoming President Kibaki.

Fears of ethnic ascendancies, power-hungry political elites, undemocratic processes and institutions ó all are hallmarks of todayís Kenya, just as they were during British colonial rule. This does not excuse the undemocratic behaviour of President Kibaki, nor that of his opponent Raila, neither of whom is necessarily a true voice of the masses. Nor does it excuse the horrific violence that has unfolded.

Rather, it suggests that the undemocratic historical trajectory that Kenya has been moving along was launched at the inception of British colonial rule more than a century ago.

In retrospect, the wonder is not that Kenya is descending into ethnic violence. The wonder is that it didn't happen sooner.
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So it sickens me when I hear ODM supporters tend to paint Raila as this Modern Day Savior.Hear this about Rutto...
William Ruto, it turns out, has a history of incitement and vote buying. He was warned by ECK in 2002. And those were the days when ECK was comprised of commissioners appointed as per IPPG of 1997.
Moi accused of plot to 'steal' Kenya election


By Adrian Blomfield in Nairobi
Last Updated: 10:56pm GMT 22/12/2002


"Kenya's opposition accused President Daniel arap Moi's government of attempting to steal victory in Friday's general election after two of his most powerful party officials were reprimanded yesterday for serious polling offences.
As seven people were killed in what was believed to be an election-related incident and with increasingly persistent allegations of intimidation, fraud and looting of state funds, there were fears that the campaign was rapidly descending into chaos.
Julius Sunkuli, the internal security minister, and William Ruto, elections director of the ruling party, Kanu, were among 14 candidates warned by the Electoral Commission over offences including vote buying and incitement.
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The body also ordered a police investigation into charges that Mr Sunkuli, one of the most feared men in Kenya, was using civil servants to campaign on his behalf. Civil servants are legally required to be non-partisan.
It is not the first time that Mr Sunkuli has had trouble with the law. A teenage girl from his Masai tribe brought a private rape prosecution against him last year but withdrew the charges after an American priest, John Kaiser, who had helped her prepare the case, was found shot dead in his car.
The disciplinary hearing also fined a Kanu candidate £830 and an opposition candidate £415 for alleged intimidation and violence.
For the the first time in independent Kenya's 39-year-history the ruling party seems set to lose an election. Opinion polls show Mr Moi's hand-picked choice of successor, Uhuru Kenyatta, trailing the opposition's main candidate, Mwai Kibaki, by over 40 percentage points.
Mr Moi is stepping down after 24 years in power, obliged to do so under a 1991 constitutional amendment. Critics accuse Mr Moi of planning to rule by proxy through Mr Kenyatta.
Up to three million people, most of them said to be opposition supporters, were prevented from registering to vote. More than a million dead people, remain on the register - a ploy to rig the election, the opposition maintains.
There have also been numerous reports of government agents buying voters' cards, allegedly for as little as £2 to people living below the poverty line.
At the weekend the Electoral Commission said people whose names did not appear on the electoral register would be allowed to vote at the discretion of the returning officer. The opposition said this would help the government to rig the election.
Ostensibly independent, the Electoral Commission has been accused of pro-government partisanship at previous elections.
Mr Kibaki has also accused the government of raiding public coffers to pay £38 million to businessmen linked to senior government officials last week.
The main opposition newspaper yesterday reported a further planned £125 million payout this week. The government denies anything untoward in the payments.
The rising war of words between the two parties has been mirrored by a increased violence. At least two former MPs have been murdered this month and ethnic clashes, possibly sparked by political incitement, have killed up to 30 people.

http://www.telegrap h.co.uk/news/ main.jhtml? xml=/news/ 2002/12/23/ wkeny23.xml..."


I am not SAYING KIBAKI SHOULDN'T BE ABSOLVED OF ANY WRONG DOING.IF ODM AND ITS PENTAGON HAD USED THE LAID DOWN PROCEDURES FOLLOWING ANY ELECTION MALPRACTISE,THEN WE WOULDN'T BE HAVING THIS SAD TRIBAL GENOCIDE IN KENYA RIGHT NOW.

So I don't see how ANYONE WITH A CONSCIENCE CAN ACCUSE MR. MOI AND BIWOTT ABOUT STARTING ALL THIS WAR.I BLAME RAILA, THE PENTAGON AND THE EUROPEAN HEAD POLLOBSERVER IN KENYA FOR INCITING ODM FANATICAL SUPPORTERS TO ATTACK INNOCENT KIKUYU'S,KAMBA'S,etc.ODM DIDN'T COME OUT EARLY ENOUGH TO PACIFY ITS SUPPORTERS.INSTEAD,THEY THOUGHT MASS ACTION WILL FORCE KIBAKI TO RESIGN.BIG MISCALCULATION THERE.They even bothered to know where America STOOD IN THIS ELECTION.AMERICA WAS FOR THE STATUS QUO..MEANING A KIBAKI WIN.

YOU HEARD WHAT MS FRAZIER SAID TODAY?? NO MORE REPEAT ELECTIONS FOLKS.NADAAAAA!!! IF YOU CAN READ THE DIPLOMATIC JARGON, THAT SAYS: GAME OVER-WINNER HAS BEEN DECLARED.And legally, Kibaki wouldnt run again because,by Law, he would have run for TWO TERMS. SO EMILIO WON'T GO DOWN THAT ROAD. SORRY KABISAAAA.

For the uninformed, Moi went to Germany the morning he voted.I am not even sure he is back yet.And the total man CONCEIDED DEFEAT FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE BEING ELECTED.If he wanted, he would have rigged himself back to Parliament.

The only thing I BLAME Mr. Moi is not DOING ENOUGH TO FORCE KALONZO MUSYOKA TO SUPPORT KIBAKI. WE WOULDN'T BE HAVING THIS GENOCIDE NOW.[/u]

This is for those die-hard ODM fanatics.KIBAKI IS NOT WILLING TO SHARE POWER WITH ODM.The only thing that Kibaki might do is give a few lesser Ministerial positions to ODM.Those who might be chosen by Kibakis henchmen might be some Kaleos like Bett and Ex Kanu guys from Nyanza as Dalmas Otieno.Other than,ODM needs to forget about any real meaningful
CONCESSIONS FROM KIBAKI.If ODM is waiting,they will wait till KINGDOM COME! A LEOPARD CAN CHANGE ITS WAYS.BUT IT CAN NEVER AND I MEAN NEVER CHANGE ITS COLOR.READ BETWEEN THE LINES FOLKS!!!

AND I AM SORRY TO SAY THAT THE ODM REVOLUTION HAS FAILED.PEOPLE'S UPRISING WILL NOT HAPPEN.ITS' TIME HAS PASSED JUST LIKE I SAID BEFORE THAT AGWAMBO NEVER STRUCK WHEN THE IRON WAS HOT.There will be clashes and disturbances here and there.WITH THE MILITARY AND THE GSU OUT THERE NOW, THERE WON'T BE MAJOR MASS DEMONSTRATIONS.KIBAKI HAS ALL THE CARDS AND HE CAN PLAY THEM HOWEVER HE WANTS TO.

All is not lost for ODM though.There is 2012.But again this is the likelihood ODM supporters: With Kalonzo RUNNING FOR THE TOP SEAT AND GEMA AND THE KISII'S BEHIND HIM, THERE IS NOOOOOO WAY...AND I MEAN NOOO WAY THAT THE LUOS, LUGHYAS AND KALENJINS CAN BEAT THEM FOLKS. THIS IS WHAT IS CALLED TRIBAL ARTHMETICS.You don't have to be an Einsten to figure this out.

I feel SORRY FOR ODM SUPPORTERS.I know some of you will come after my neck.I am used to that now.So it doesn't matter.I can take it.Just do me a favor: Deal with substance and issues.Nothing stupid as attacking me.Coz that will MEAN FIRE AND BRIMSTONES!

And to reiterate again.I am no Kikuyu apologist.I am simply a POLITICAL ANALYST.ARGUE FOR OR AGAINST WHAT I SAID.Don't attack me because of MY VIEWS.Peace to those who love peace and hate to those who hate so much.I just tell the way it is.Take it or leave it folks.You don't have to like me.

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@ J.Kibet,mwa ng'oliot agenge kityo nebo kalenjin si anai ale ibo kutit iman!

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This message is for CHEPTILDA in Koln, Germany.

YANI IMAWEE ILE MABO KALENJIN? MANGEN KINAMWAE SINAI ILE KIKISIKYON KERICHO.ABO KUTINI INE.
So Cheptitda, nai ile ngot ine imache inai ile a Kaleo(And not an IMPOSTOR), I can give you my cell phone #.That will be the ULTIMATE Confirmation WHEN YOU GET TO HEAR HOW I TALK PURE KALEO.THERE WON'T BE ANY WAY I WILL FAKE THAT, WILL THERE? IF YOU WANT-CHECK ME OUT THEN.

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Acha Kibet,I need no further evidence,ibo kutit iman!

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Cheptilda wrote:
Acha Kibet,I need no further evidence,ibo kutit iman!


Eiting'o, kius ng'oo Kibet koming'in ?


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Ngolyondoni kobo Chepkinyor.

Mami chi ee tupchet ne kiusa kinamining.
Amwaee IMANDA BETUSIEK ALAKTUGUL.
KONGOI INE.

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[quote="CHEPKINYOR"] Acha Kibet,I need no further evidence,ibo kutit iman!
Eiting'o, kius ng'oo Kibet koming'in ?[/quote]

Lol! Chepkinyor.I thought u meant kius ng'o kibet (Who wiped him).

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@Cheptilda, I stand corrected. I think I might have had the wrong interpretation there as to WHAT WAS BEING ACTUALLY SAID.If that is what happened, then my apologies.I real mohine does ALWAYS OFFER APOLOGIES.I promise to go work on my Kaleo interpretation.

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Kibet I think u r very right on the meaning u took it for.I think there are two meanings to this "Kius".

1.He/she wiped him.
2.He/she mistreated him.

I think Chepkinyor meant the second one.Am not sure though.

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Moi, along with Kibaki are part of the PROBLEM & not the SOLUTION coz they set up the boomerang that found Kenyans rioting & killing each other...they OUGHT to apologize for all the lost souls, the economic damages and the foreseeable distrust amongst tribes that Kenya will have to face till hell freezes over and/or christ comes back.....whichever comes first...so much about POWER....talk about the POWER of absolute POWER :x

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Moi and biwotte are in the church asking God for forgiveness. Where is memo bythe way. She used to defend Biwotte now she has gone undergraound she must know a thing or two about moi's whereabouts.


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Cheptilda wrote:
Kibet I think u r very right on the meaning u took it for.I think there are two meanings to this "Kius".

1.He/she wiped him.
2.He/she mistreated him.

I think Chepkinyor meant the second one.Am not sure though.


Hi my daughter Cheptilda. Reading Kibet's diatribe, I formed the impression that he comes through sounding like a person whose ego was bruised at his juvenile stage. One interesting thing though, he seems to be quite polite when responding to female authors. The male species rub him the wrong way, they make him yell in his write up to them.

Free grammar lessons or is it spelling? Keus=mistreat, Keuus=wipe


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This is for Chepkinyor.

Just do everyone in here a favor: You ain't that beautiful, humane,smart Woman called Ophrah! So someone like you is dirtifying her good image.Someone like you shouldn't even come close to using that illustrious ladies image.You are just but DISRESPECTING HER!And Oprah doesn't belong to no War-Mongering tribe the last time I checked!
And Chepkinyor, I ain't having no EGO PROBLEMS.
You just seem to be to be retarded yourself.How comes that you CAN'T ADDRESS WHAT I RAISED. HOW ABOUT CHALLENGING ME ON WHAT I WROTE POINT BY POINT OR ISSUE BY ISSUE???

I know you are probably not CAPABLE OF REBUTTING WHATEVER I RAISED.I know your kind.They only know how to belittle.Just a Paragraph laced with stupid words here and there and that MAKES YOU THINK YOU HAVE SAID ANYTHING OF IMPORTANCE! HOW PATHETIC IS THAT!
For your information Chepkinyor, everyone has an EGO.But my question is this to you: What the HECK HAS MY EGO HAVE ANYTHING WITH WHAT I HAVE BEEN CONTRIBUTING? KIKUYU'S ARE BEING KILLED IN KENYA THROUGH ODM VIOLENCE AND YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT SOME AGO?
What has me saying that it was wrong for Women and Kids taking refuge at a Church to be KILLED HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH MY EGO BEING SCREWED-UP DURING MY SO CALLED JUVENILLE STAGE???
You are just LAUGHABLE. You basically have nothing to SAY.Just do some of us a favor: JUST BE SEEN AND NOT BE HEARD!

You really amaze me @Chepkinyor.You say I am polite to Women authors? You prove to me that you haven't been reading what I have been responding to different characters in here.
I was just responding in a normal way to Cheptilda because she seemed an intelligent, decent lady the way she contributes.She didn't attack me one way or the other despite the fact that SHE MIGHT NOT AGREE WITH ME ON EVERY ISSUE I HAVE RAISED.Thats called agreeing to disagree with someone.Cheptilda might be ODM(I don't know),but she is unlike most of the ODM fanatics like you and the rest WHO JUST ATTACK,ATTACK and ATTACK without stopping to USE THEIR BRAINS.
Someone like you doesn't DESERVE ANY NICESITIES FROM ME!!! With your Character, you deserve only what you are getting.Plain and simple.I don't know how to but it much simpler than that.

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kipjohn, can't you get THIS thru your thick dumb head???.....IT'S NOT that folks are attacking you PERSONALLY u dumba*ss, on the contrary they're attacking your idiotic, moronic, stupid & retarded so called 'issues' & your twisting of laid out "facts" whose rationale defies common sense...u get that moron? :x

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Altoo, why CAN'T YOU SHOW THE REST OF THE MORONS AND PUMBAVUS IN HERE THE WAY BY ATTACKING MY "ISSUES AND POINTS".

IS IT TOO HARD TO REPLY TO THEM ISSUES AND WHAT I SET FORTH INSTEAD OF HURLING INSULTS AND CALLING ME NAMES?

IS BY CALLING ME NAMES NOT ATTACKING ME? YOU ARE JUST BUT AN ODM PUMBAVU YOU MORON. AND A DICK-HEAD TO BOOT.Just like as I said, you NEED A PSYCHOTHERAPIST!

YOU CALL GOING AFTER ME ATTACKING THE ISSUES I RAISED? KUSEMA UKWELI JAMENIIIIIIIIIIIII, HUYU MJINGA ANAJIITA ALTOO ANATOKA WAPIIIIII? MSHENZI BILA NIA AMA ADHABU!!
You disgust me calling YOURSELF A KALEO.I AM ASHAMED TO SHARE THE SAID TRIBE WITH YOU IDIOT!!!

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