God v/s Science of Evolution!!!

[altoo]

How many of us believe in God as opposed to how many believe the Big bang theory of evolution? how strong is one's faith in whichever God they believe and what guides that faith?, do we all agree that all religions from christianity, islam, hinduism, buddism and even atheists have the same rights to what they perceive to be God, heaven and hell?.........OR, can we just be honest and admit that none of us knows for sure?.....I say this coz sometimes, I wonder if God really exists......if the good old God, who supposedly created the heavens, the earth and every damn thing in between is actually there in his omnipotent presence, WHY would he and/or she allow bad things to happen to good people?, why let all the injustices (slavery, racism, colonialism) happen to some members of the human family?, why let human beings slaughter each other in the name of endless wars?.....why does he let that happen?

[Nyiganet]

ometen ngalekab chumbek che kiib oliginye kokimoche korebenech imbarenik. Ongesa asis kou ole kisa boisiekyok koton kobya kiplelacheck

[Edwin]

Are you really serious? Think of this again. I am currently doing Theology and I am totally convinced that the God we are serving is living and He is a true God. I have also been challenged by many such question which are sometimes hard to answer but still God alone is the Answer. Our conscience should tell us something. God is aware of all things that happen in this world. All these evils arose from the time Adam and Eve fell into sin and it continues till Christ's return. Man is evil and the nature we are in is influenced by our sinful nature. We can do nothing to safe the situation but we need only to pray for our fellow people. WITHOUT CHRIST IN OUR HEARTS WE CANNOT UNDERSTAND ALL THESE.
I am ready to share more.... God bless you all.
Ongewalage biikchok si kesich NAET (Hosea 4:6).

[altoo]

Bwana Edwin I appreciate your feedback and let me just say I have deep respect for your beliefs and convictions. With all due respect though, i just wonder sometimes about all the things the bible tells us about God which in my opinion defies common sense...a typical example is the story in the book of revelations about the coming rapture which is said to be anytime now. I often wonder if it hasn't happened already, why NOW?, why didn't it happen in the 4th, 9th,12th, 15th or 18th century?, and if all the people who died back then didn't have salvation, what's gonna happen to them does that mean they are not going to heaven? which's where? Most of all, what bothers me the most is the injustices we see around the world which makes me question why God doesn't do a damn thing about it. That's why I have decided that may be the REAL truth IS, no one really knows for sure, no one knows what happened when we die, and may be, just may be, FAITH, WHICH WE HAVE BEEN TAUGHT TO GO BY SINCE TIME IMMEMORIAL isn't good enough. I say this coz in my humble opinion, the whole religion thing sounds like an old cliche that says 'if it looks too good to be true, it probably is" .Having said that, i wanna encourage you to share more with me when and if you can. let's have a discussion.thanks

[Edwin]

Thanx man for opening up yourself. Many people go through such many queries and many even die before getting answers for them. I thank God for making me a Theologian because this has really enabled me to learn more of Him and His Word. My brother, I know the situation you are Going through anf it is my prayer that God may alone convince you through His own means. I pray that You will one time come to understand the TRUTH about God and His Deeds. I have seen and heard and even ready of many scholars or learned people who deny that there is no God but before they die, or when they face certain troubles, they come to confess that Really God is truly Living and His Word is true and Living. I am not saying this may be to scare you but these are living Testimonies. It takes only a single second for one to receive God's Grace of Salvation simply because it is God alone who knows the Heart of a man. We might take a long time discussing of al these issues.
I do admit that there are issues in the Bible that are hard for us to understand, but what I know is that God's Word is Completely Inerrant. I wish to help you answer your queries using the Bible and I do not know if truly you have a Bible to read; plis find one if you can and be ready anytime, because I heard of one man who tried to read a Bible and when he just read a small passage, he was completely convinced that it was truly the Word of the living God and he got Saved there and then. The rapture in the Book of Revelation is all about the Second coming of Jesus Christ which He himself said that it will be SOON. We remain then asking ourselves when is this soon, but the only thing I know is that God alone knows; this is a Mystery but we should remain ready ALWAYS.
In Romans 1: 18-32 (Pliz Read), the Bible is clear to us we are without excuse because God has revealed Himself to us through Nature (Natural Revelation). We do not want to say that the people who died back then didn't have salvation. They knew God to some extent and we do not know what will happen to them because this is not told in the Bible and so we live it to God (Deutronomy 29:29). Remember that God is Just and faithful judge, we cannot judge ourselves. People of this age no longer rely on the Natural revelation but rather on the Special Revelation whis only through Jesus Christ the Son of God. We have no excuse at all as long as we've heard about Salvation through Him.
Heaven is where Christ went; God lives in Heaven. But I also admit that we cannot tell where heaven is situated. It is until the second coming of Christ when this will be revealed to us. No one knows what happen to us when we die for sure. But remember that the Body (flesh) goes back to soil and the Soul goes back to the Giver, God. The faith one has in God and Christ is true and it cannot completely be questioned.
This is little that I can tell you at the Moment. Think of your life my brother and humbly think of how things have been. REM: All things happen for the Good of those who love and Trust in the Lord. Who are you? Why do you live? Who/what is behind all these happenings in our lives? GOD HELP US UNDERSTAND AND KNOW YOU. AMEN.
Thanks and God Bless you.
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[altoo]

Thanks a lot brother Edwin for your eloquent explanation however, i still have issues with the whole biblical concept to human life here on the planet but especially the after life. I do appreciate your points coming from your theological background but i would love for someone to go back go the origin of religion and convince me beyond any reasonable doubt that there are real tangible and physical facts to back the thoery up. As we are always told, we got to go thru life trying to do the best we can to help out other human beings yet religion advocates vilence on occassions. that gets me thinking, if God breathed life into the holy bible and if surely loves everyone equally and wants justice applied to all races without discrimination, why are some parts of the holy book contradicting his word? you know what i think?, i think the bible has nothing to do with the creator but was designed and written by white people as a tool to control all other races around the world. I say this because as a student of history i have seen and read many cases where religion has been used by white people to suppress dominate, colonize and submit other races to in order to have superiority over them and that's why i have concluded that things we have been taught for years may not be as they appear and while I realize some will argue that i may be wrong, I seriously doubt it

[Edwin]

The Bible beyond thought is the Word of God and it is not just a mere book. many books have been written and they come and pass and they are forgotten but the Word of God will remain for ever just as it is written. With my liitle knowledge that I have, I have learned that the Bible has remained really for the last 2000 years but tell me, how many scientific theories and books have come but we hear them only in History. Yes, we may understand the Bible as something that was written by the white men, if we think from an historical point of view. God spoke to His chosen people and through inspiration, he instructed them to write His word. the Term inspiration can be described as God breathing out His Word to His inspired men (II Tim 3:16). It is after this that we can then learn from History how the Word was kept from one generation to one another. The Bible had its original language: The Old Testament was written in Hebrew and the New Testament in Greek. History tells us the about the Bible from the time the Early Manuscripts was found. There is a gap from the actual time when the Word was written through Inspiration to the time we learn about the Early Manuscripts. I have read the Bible for several times and there is no time I have found it fake or outdated. It is always fresh and inspiring. Sometimes I do accept to admit that "I do not know" places where the Bible seems to contradict and this is Good. The Bible warns us not to Add or Subtract anything from it (Rev 22:18ff) and hence we should not put our own words in it. It is always good to learn from the Mind of God Himself. This Topic needs alot of Time. The Bible is the True Word of God!! More to be said later.

[bahrmasa]

GOD HAD NO BEGINING AND HAS NO END.
GOD IS OMNIPRESENT OMNISCIENT AND OMNIPOTENT.
The universe had a begining, and may one day have an end and so the big bang had a begining and may also have an end.It is that simple.My believe is that our intellectual capacity is really infinitesimal and not worthy comparing it with that of GOD. To jog your minds, just think about what you learn from Astronomy to microbiology- What make them be?

[Memo]

God The supreme being that is omnipotent and omniscient. Since he is omnipotent, he has the power to create a stone so big that he himself cannot lift, and at the same time he must be able to lift it. And since he is omniscient, he has the power to know everything, even what you will do tomorrow, thus, you have no free will.
He is the main character in the bible, whether he exists or not is not for anyone to be sure, although it is highly improbable. I think if everyone stopped believing in god, and started believing in themselves the world would be a better place, but who knows??

[Chemosi]

I think I need to start going back to church more often. You guys seem to be holier than me.
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[bahrmasa]

Memo, Sobe ne itinye nguni kobo iman ma lembech. I have tried to understand your point but found it difficult. However, it seems your message is quite hypothetical. With omnipotence he can create everything and nothing can be heavier or greater than the creator-it is really hopeless to try and figure out the magnitude of God?s greatness. Take time and think about all the things that take place within your natural environment-whether you are there or not, most of those things will be happening-the waters of the rivers will keep flowing, the sun will keep rising and setting, the birds, insects, the trees , the wind etc will keep going on as they have done for so long. We say it is (or they are) natural but many people (including myself) believe it is God who let them be-isn?t that quite an awesome and cute believe?
Free will-why and what do you need free will for? To do what in the presence of the one who is so gracious as to give you the privilege to exist. Be grateful and exalt him for your life.

[Memo]

Barhmasa...don't get me wrong i believe in God,i love him.
Am gon give you reasons why i believe in him...
1. Everyone Believes in Something
No one can endure the stress and cares of life without faith in something that cannot ultimately be proven. Atheists cannot prove there is no God. Pantheists cannot prove that everything is God. Pragmatists cannot prove that what will count for them in the future is what works for them now. Nor can agnostics prove that it is impossible to know one way or the other. Faith is unavoidable, even if we choose to believe only in ourselves.

Faith or "belief" is only as good as the object in which we place our trust. What (or who) you place your faith in matters. Jesus said, "If you do not believe that I am He (Savior), you will die in your sins. (John 8:24), furthermore we are told, "He that believes on the Son has eternal life: but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him" (John 3:36). Therefore the Bible focuses not as much on the act of "belief" as on the "object" of belief. God requires man to put his faith in Christ alone for salvation; nothing else will satisfy Him.

2. Everything Has a Cause
Every effect has a cause. We do not exist in a vacuum or a bubble. Where do we come from? At some point we all recognize that life had a beginning. Logic and design eliminate the idea that we just happened to exist by chance. The God of the Bible is the ultimate answer to the question of our origins, for it is understood that as an infinite being and eternally self-existent He does not require a cause. (Psalm 90:4, Colossians 1:17; II Peter 3:

3. Evidence of a Designer
The universe displays a staggering amount of evidence for revealing an intelligent designer. This intelligence is observed both in the things one observes and the way these things relate to others outside themselves. The intricate order of the universe and it's regularity can fill even the most casual observer with awe. It is the norm within nature to observe many different components that work together to produce something valuable.

It is amazing that there would even be a question whether this intelligible order is the product of chance or of intelligent design. This design can only come from the mind of a designer. What's even more amazing is that this designer cares about us?

Some people reason that a God great enough to create the universe would be too big to be concerned about us. Jesus, however, confirmed what the design and detail of the natural world suggest. He showed that God is great enough to care about the smallest details of our lives. He spoke of one who not only knows every move we make but also the motives and thoughts of our heart. Jesus taught that God knows the number of hairs on our head, the concerns of our heart, and even the condition of a fallen sparrow (Psalm 139, Matthew 6).

4. God is Great
The God of the Bible is a Great God. He is different from us (John 4:24). He is independent and superior to the rest of the universe, Who is like the Lord our God," the Psalmist writes (Psalm 113:5-6).

Perhaps it is comforting to know that there is something (someone) higher than man. This idea that God is greater than man is at the core of worship. It is appropriate for man to approach God with reverence because man is not equal to God. This view of God as being great, must be balanced by God's ever-present Goodness.

5. God is Good
The God of the Bible is personally interested in you. He knows your name. He told Jeremiah "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you" (Jeremiah 1:5). The Apostle Paul called Him "my God." David called Him "a father to the fatherless, a defender of widows" (Psalm 68:5). And all Christians have received the "spirit of sonship," so that we may call Him "Abba, Father" (Romans 8:15).

The God of the Bible knows your name. "See," He says to his people, "I have engraved you on the palms of my hands" (Isaiah 49:16). "He cares for you, " the Apostle Peter says (1 Peter 5:7). Jesus says that the very hairs on your head are all numbered" (Matthew 10:30). And God promises that you can "call upon me and come and pray to me, and I will listen to you. You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart" (Jeremiah 29:12-13). God is not only Great?but God is Good.

The Bible says that God designs the circumstances of our lives in a way that will prompt us to look for Him (Acts 17:26). For those who do reach out for Him, the Scriptures also say that He is close enough to be found (Acts 17:27). According to the apostle Paul, God is a Spirit in whom "we live and move and have our being" (Acts 17:2. The Bible makes it just as clear, however, that we must reach out for God on His terms rather than our own. He promises to be found, not by just anyone but by those who admit their own need and are willing to trust Him rather than themselves.

[Werit ab Sonoiya]

I believe it's human nature to want to believe in something. I believe there is an unexplainable power that governs our existance. I believe in the fact evolution is evident on earth. I believe that our existance is greater than the thery of evolution. I also believe that the Bible was written by man, and the words in it have been tampered with. I believe that organised religions are meant to instill fear, brainwash and control the human race. I also believe that organised religions are in the business of making free money. I believe in the fact that our fore fathers appreciated, honored and worshiped the sun. I know as a fact that heaven is not in the Sky and Hell is not underground.
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[siele]

I believe in One God and this is the living God but what I don't get is the Human way of reasoning. The new skull discovered in Kenya the other day makes every thing we read in the bible almost confusing and this also applies to most of the evolution stories

[altoo]

God is to "planet earth is about 2500 years old"...........as..........science of evolution is to "planet earth is at least 4.5 billion years old".......I rest my case!!!
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a CITIZEN without POLITICAL KNOWLEDGE is a VIRTUAL CRIMINAL....when the POWER of LOVE overcomes the LOVE of POWER, the WORLD will know PEACE....I would rather be HATED for WHO I am than LOVED for WHAT I am not....LIVE FREE or DIE HARD!!!

[Memo]

i know there is a GOD.i know it i know it i know it! He knows i know it.

[xugal]

did i spell yo name right?

up there the student talked about the abscence of sth and not the opposite good question, let me ask u one what is the opposite of prescence?? abscence right? so if the other is the antonym of the other then both darkness and light, death and life, heat and cold are the opposites of each other; we can quantify the prescence of sth but wat we cant do is to measure the abscence of it.

I do believe there is a supernatural being but wat i dont believe in are these religion crap kiplelachek only used it to make it easy for them

tell me if there is God, africans are the majority believers, why is it that his people are drowning in poverty, unless the god that they believe in is happy to make non believers advance and watch dem people languish