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Edwin Visiting Assoc Professor


Joined: 16 Feb 2007 Posts: 196 Location: Eldoret Country: kenya
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:24 am Post subject: All Leaders are from God. |
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| Is it true that "All Leaders are from God?" What if people elects a leader who is wicked? What about a person who is good and excellent in leading but on the other hand they do wicked things? Hey, can we talk about this!! God Bless.
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preciousA Visiting Assoc Professor


Joined: 24 Apr 2007 Posts: 238 Location: kentucky Country: usa
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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 11:41 am Post subject: Re: All Leaders are from God. |
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| so not true... not all leaders are from God, or of God for that matter. There are some wicked ppl that God still allows them to get in, so i don't know if this makes them from God....don't think so.
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Chemosi Chancellor


Joined: 26 Dec 2006 Posts: 897 Location: Washington DC Country: usa
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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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In 1924, Hitler wrote "I sank to my knees and thanked heaven??.that it had given me the good fortune to live at such a time."
God gave Germany Hitler?  _________________ Great spirits have always encountered opposition from mediocre minds.' Einstein. biikabkutit.com
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cheptabkoret Chancellor


Joined: 17 May 2007 Posts: 816 Location: Nairobi Country: kenya
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 3:24 am Post subject: |
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Sometimes God can use some leaders to pass a message to his people, for example in the bible, there is the issue of Saul as King. What if the persecution of the jewish by Hitler was God trying to make them realize his existence, and for them to unite and form a state of their own. Most times when you read in the bible, you find the jewish having been one hell of a very stubborn race.
There is usually a lot we can learn by coexisting with both good and evil, look at Idi Amin for example, the guy brought Uganda under tyranny rule for 8years, even themighty UN body with its policy did nothing. Look at Robert Mugabe and his rule too. So what message does God want to pass...... that when power gets into leaders heads and they try to play God, evil prevails, _________________ Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there
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Memo Tenured Professor


Joined: 31 Jan 2007 Posts: 568 Location: Nrb Country: kenya
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 4:41 am Post subject: |
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Bible says there is "spiritual wickedness in high places."
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." (eph.6:12)
some who preach are "in the flesh".
therefore, they cannot please God. But then again, Even biblical scriptures are full of "flaws" so how can you judge one from the other. Teacher of the bible STICK to all that is written but many fall by the way side out of sheer vanity. Trouble there too is that WE as people RESPONSIBLE for our own souls should be cautious than to believe in what ever doctrine is thrown our way. that discernment should apply PSYCHOLOGICALLY to the behaviors and attitudes of the ENTITIES we look at worshiping JUST as much as those who call themselves "leaders" of these words as there are many FAKE holy ones out there. It is those "fakes" that look appealing but ARE the servants of the devil as it is HE who gave them their doctrines..........
If it doesn't look like a rose, smell like a rose it probably ISN'T a "rose....."
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altoo Chancellor


Joined: 26 Dec 2006 Posts: 994 Location: MaryLand Country: usa
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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Be afraid, very afraid when you hear leaders quote God to justify their actions and/or decisions....Hitler did it, Bin Laden has done it, and now, Kosengeng Bush is quoted as saying God told him to invade Iraq....wtf?........how can anyone with a brain rationalize that? think about it for a minute,.......would God,whoever he and/or she is, who we were told to obey & trust, the merciful, the omnipotent & supreme creator actually tell dumbass Bush to invade a sovereign nation and kill thousands of soldiers & hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians? would he?........I am thinking, either these leaders are lying to us Or God if he's not figment of our imagination is a real war monger...it got me thinking that may be , just may be, some scholar would be able to address these serious concerns some day and once & for all settle the big questions humankind has had since time immemorial or else the whole God concept is just vanity that humans have learnt to use to dominate and justify the enslavement of other humans _________________ a CITIZEN without POLITICAL KNOWLEDGE is a VIRTUAL CRIMINAL....when the POWER of LOVE overcomes the LOVE of POWER, the WORLD will know PEACE....I would rather be HATED for WHO I am than LOVED for WHAT I am not....LIVE FREE or DIE HARD!!!
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Rokiha Lecturer


Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Posts: 65 Location: Kitale Country: kenya
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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Yes and No.
Yes in the sense that leaders are men and/or women created by God who knew their destiny right from their mother's womb(s). For in the beginning during that first meeting God had he said " Let us " make man in OUR own image. Hao wengine sigui ilikuwa ni kina nani?
No because some leaders learn or are forced by certain circumstances/situations to become bad. But either way the so called bad leaders are to his people a good leader and vice versa. Like the case of Hilter they way too did correcctly observe.
And by the way when we talk of a good leader (Kando iin) what exactly are we saying?
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Edwin Visiting Assoc Professor


Joined: 16 Feb 2007 Posts: 196 Location: Eldoret Country: kenya
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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| there are people who currently said that God allowed Kibaki to steal votes so that Raila could not become the president. Is this right/true? My view is that this cannot be!!!
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