KIPSIGIS PEOPLE WERE SHORT CHANGED & SCREWED UP

[wkirui]

Dear People

Whether you like it or not, the much anticipated Grand Coalition will not work. This has been evident by the continued and unbiased methods used by the two principals to reward their cronies. Most of us may not be far from the truth when we wittingly define the relationship amongst ODM and PNU stakeholders as devoid of ideology and philosophy apart from that of forming a coalition Government and sharing of power and positions perpetrating the status quo. This extends to supporters of the party who are not guided by ideologies and philosophies as they are not there anyway but fanaticism and egocentricity.

No doubt supporters of the PNU and ODM party have come up very strongly to defend and some to denounce the new list of cabinet. Most of them feel shortchanged…???Like Kipsigis people who are the largest subscribe of the larger Kalenjin tribe??? Or is it that PNU and ODM movement were elusions as eluded by some few? Who has planted seeds of discord amongst its MPS and their supporters so as to be led by individualistic and egoistic maneuvers? Sobriety and maturity would prevail if the process was democratic with the MPS having no mindset.

I knew from the beginning that the Noth Rift will go always with not less than 3 cabinet slots while South Rift will only get one. Kipsigis people were screwed up by Raila. We cannot allow this to happen anymore. The composition of PSC was also done the same. Kipsigis people must come out of their banks and talk about this continued sidelining

These evils have been perfected and copied word by word and sentence by sentence and practice by practice by Raila and Kibaki with their tautology and fame .This two fellows are yawning liability to Kenyans. Every appointment should be based on merit and distributed equally to all tribes and not have tribal undertones.

With the formation of Grand Coalition government, the Kipsigis were to get at least two an unidentified ministerial position via W Rutto and not through Raila. I must say Positions have never helped us as they are individualistic and we had hopes this time round that things were to change for the better. Rather we need good ideologies and policies to help Kenya wholly not parochial trivia of ministers and positions. Ask some of our former cabinet ministers (???Like Kipkalya Kones, Henry Kosgei and others???) from our people what they did when they were ministers apart from trivializing every other aspect of life. I see no change in the new look cabinet to our people , just recycling of old guards except for Hon W Rutto and Sambili.

These big two ( Raila and Kibaki) have done Kenyan people a big mistake. They need to come back to reason and look at the big picture and get out of captivity and bring a new dawn to Kenya as we exorcise the Moi and kenyatta ghosts. Unless Kipsigis people are recognised fully we will never support the current goverment. (I will bring together of all our MPs and professionals from kipsigis to meet and chat the way forward soon probably this week.)

Else PNU and ODM will later on die as desperate shells in the Grand Coalition. Important in life is not positions but service and relationships. Thus I advocate for the real sharing of power and positions based on the number of MPs in the house and the votes they delivered and not rewarding cronies.

Wesley Kipngetich

A.K.A Nyiganet

[Kipngetich]

I don't agree MR Nyiganet on this one, simply because the idea itself is cheap, on my opinion.

The kalenjin community is one and any kind or sort of divisive idea is uncalled for, especially at the time when the country is facing big challenge on nationalism.

Just tell me if in a case of another kipsigis MP being picked as a minister, would the cost of basic commodities for the kipsigis be a notch cheaper?? I dont think so, simply because this appointments have no significance to the poor man unless the responsibilities and duties of those occupiers of this minitries affects a positive change, in which it has been hard coming by. Since independence, some places in Kenya have been lucky to have a minister almost every term of the parliament but disappointingly there are no marked difference with places which had none.

Its time we stress accountability and service delivery instead of patronizing government appointments, and thinking that its our own who can deliver us from our own peril.

[wkirui]

Hallo Bakarna Kipngetich
Hoope this article will confirm to your ma worries

South Rift leaders threaten to quit ODM

Published on April 21, 2008, 12:00 am
By Standard Team
Five MPs and more than 100 councillors have threatened to withdraw support for ODM over Cabinet appointments.
The leaders from the South Rift accused Prime Minister, Mr Raila Odinga, of sidelining the Kipsigis.
"The community got a raw deal in the appointments," the leaders said in a statement read by Chepalungu MP, Mr Isaac Ruto.
Speaking at Tea Research Foundation, Kericho, on Saturday, they called for a political party for the community.
Konoin MP, Dr Julius Kones, said the community would use the by-elections in Ainamoi and Trans Mara to stamp their authority.
Among the MPs at the meeting were Mr Franklin Bett (Buret), Mr Magerer Lang’at (Kipkelion) and Mr Zakayo Cheruiyot (Kuresoi).
Former MPs, Mr Paul Sang and Mr John Terer, also attended the meeting.
The leaders said they held Raila responsible for shortchanging the community.
In the region, only Bomet MP, Mr Kipkalya Kones, is a cabinet minister (Roads), while Mr Charles Keter (Belgut) and his Sotik counterpart, Mrs Lorna Laboso, were appointed assistant ministers in the ministry of Energy and office of the Vice-President respectively.
On Thursday, ten MPs from the Rift Valley raised concern over Cabinet appointments, saying they were shortchanged.
Meanwhile, Budalang’i MP, Mr Ababu Namwamba, has asked Raila to contact ODM MPs who missed the appointments and assure them that all was not lost.
"We have many other opportunities and all is not lost for the MPs who missed Cabinet appointments. That is what our PM should tell them now," said Namwamba.
The MP, who is also the ODM Parliamentary Secretary, said legislators were concerned with the disquiet in the party over Cabinet appointments.
"Not everyone can be a minister. There are other roles we can play as MPs," said Namwamba.
Several PNU MPs have also complained that they were shortchanged.
Namwamba said there was need for Raila to talk to the party MPs.
The Kuria also claim they were shortchanged following the demotion of their MP, Dr Wilfred Machage, from minister to an assistant.
A group of leaders from the district, led by Mr Chris Gibagiri, said they were contemplating withdrawing their support for President Kibaki for allegedly embarrassing them.
Speaking in Nairobi, Gibagiri who lost to Machage in the last elections said Machage should not have been a sacrificial lamp.
"Why did they rob the Kuria after Machage had served for only five months" asked Gibagiri.

[wkirui]

Dear All

Kalenjins and in particular kipsigis including myself need a group with liberal democracy, egalitarianism, social justice, rule of law, transparency and accountability. A group devoid of sub-tribalism, bigotry, corruption, blind and fanatical following of leaders lacking in integrity, and inane emotional outbursts over non issues. The elected leaders from RV are just a bunch of busy bodies who will not deliver. Most of them were in power and did nothing. With all due respect, I find the comments of Kipngetich so demeaning and lacking substance
I have the audacity of hope which never dies to work and support our people. We need to serve them and be transparent and accountable in all that we do. A dream never dies and one day one time we will be talking of our great bank/investments/institutions offering services to our people through you.

Wesley Kipngetich

A.K.A Nyiganet

[Kimotwek]

I have decided to repost my earlier comment from a forum we had earlier incase the author of this forum didn't read it. here it is

Kazi bure...you erred big time brother...u make me ashamed to be a kipsigis. u really feel that we should divide cabinet posts into subtribes? there is what they call emergent leadership. Everybody has an equal chance of rising to defend for other's rights. nandis happened to emerge as leaders, at least, at this time. Now you want those leaders who have been persistent in defending us all be replaced by leaders who won't do anything meaningful at the negotation table if we were to go back to square one? who denied akina Bett the chance to speak and be seen as leaders who can command respect of all commnities? personall, as a kipsigis, i could care less if nandis took all the post. We are all BIIKABKUTIT. we send nandis to war and want to get a good chunk when the meal is served! I apologize to all biikabkutit who see what i see- that some of us can be divided along as many lines as can be thought of.

Guys, please tell me somebody is equally pissed off like me about the recent bickering by our kipsigis mps about being short changed. We all know not everybody got what they should have - ababu, nawamba, okemo, just to mention a few. Just like Atwoli said the other day - some of these mps complaining about being short changed have not been defensively vocal of the party. now they want to be rewarded? should we now replace sally kosgey with Arap bett? i am a kipsigis from Litein but I am happy with what we got as kalenjin. i do not look at what we got as kipsigis
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[Kipngetich]

[quote="wkirui"]Dear All

Kalenjins and in particular kipsigis including myself need a group with liberal democracy, egalitarianism, social justice, rule of law, transparency and accountability. A group devoid of sub-tribalism, bigotry, corruption, blind and fanatical following of leaders lacking in integrity, and inane emotional outbursts over non issues.


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MR Nyiganet, allow me to defend my views but before I do so, I did recognize from your earlier forum post to be conflicting with the current one. I do support fully that "Kalenjins and in particular kipsigis including myself need a group with liberal democracy, egalitarianism, social justice, rule of law, transparency and accountability". However you cannot bring up the idea of shortchanging a sub tribe "read kipsigis" in the same context.

Anii Nyiganet, kwanini tupikane na siasa ya pesa nane? Lets instead fight for rule of law, social justice, bigotry, integrity na kadhalika.~~

[altoo]

Gentlemen, quit looking at the TREES instead of the FOREST....the Lemindet f!cked up when he decided to join Kibaki & his kikuyu mafia goons in a so called "grand coalition" which in effect isn't worth a flask of warm piss...that's why the kipsigis MP's, western MPs, & others are raising hell talking about "we got robbed"...the Lemindet had all the momentum on his side b4 he agreed to join Kibaki right when the international pressure was starting to bite Kibaki on his fat ass...I hear they just named PS's as well & one can bet biikabkutit got railroaded as well..
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[cheptabkoret]

i would have been so happy if the above quoted mps could be going aroung screaming there voices off and complaining of a bloated cabinet which will make common mwanachi poorer, and for them to agitate for scrubbing off some very irrelevant ministries.....but they are showing their gluttonius tendencies going round screaming how they missed the ministerial posts. Was everyone suppose to be a minister or what???????????
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[parv]

Nyiganet as the name suggest for real you are. i absolutely agree with you that Kipsigis were short changed. and yu see when we say the truth guys see like we are petraying kalenjins nooo...we do want to take the north rifth slots all what we are demanding is OUR SHARE according to our votes. mokimoche ngecherok ab nandi kimoche chechok. yesterday ruto had a meeting with kale mps at palacina and personally he admitted thet kipsigis were short changed, what he was asked was, so what steps have you taken and he kept mum!! its a high time we fight for thiz thing and you will see the power of kipsigis in the next by election of Ainamoi and Trans-mara...

[Kipngetich]

Why can we stop bickering with petty issues like having our MPS becoming ministers.? We should dwell on larger scale concerns which affects the common mwananchi.

For instance, how can we ensure that the government delivers to the people? Supporting those in government and getting our people to work is of paramount importance than petty bickering.

Lets all leave politics aside now, and embark on process of reconciliation and national building. Okay??

[keno]

Take away some of the cabinet posts from Nandis or Luos and give them to kipsigis mps and lets see if the bikering will stop. It will be a continuos cycle of finger pointing if not pocking.
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[Kimotwek]

I heard Bett and Jaman buch speak the other day and i was surprised they shrub more than my batyem back in Cheborgei. Moi is the only kale that can shrub and sound amusing. I could care less if bett remained as just an ordinary mp. we are liberating ourselves from being subtribal.
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[Kipngetich]

KENO, where have you been buddy? Anyhow your views are to the point.

What I ask is patience on the new government. Lets see the performance of the two principals for the next 3 years, then from there, we'll judged them accordingly.

Ditching of positions to specific tribes won't solve the common mwananchi or the old mama/baba at the village problems.

Again bikyok, lets be patience.

[cheptabkoret]

am trying to look for nyiganet in this post...can't see.... or is wkirui and nyiganet one n the same?????

keno well said......whichever way someone somewhere will still complain, whichever side was favoured...the kalenjins are now starting to be split...whch is bad and very wrong.
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[wkirui]

Thanks Cheptabkoret,
Wkirui AKA Wesley Kipngetich AKA Nyiganet is one and the same dear.
Thanks for asking to know
Will respond to the above mails later

[cheplaskei]

I am a kipsigis, the last thing am worried about is a kipsigis MP getting a slice of the ministerial pie. With the unrest still vivid in my mind esp in the Rift Valley, the lose of inocent lives(women and children) all i hope and pry for everyday is peace. Please people we need to preach peace, love and unity more than anything. Not everyone can be a leader, there are only so many positions guys. We want the few to do what they said they will do and if they don't then we can chuck them out come next election. Most people are just looking out for themselves, not for the overall mwanainchi.
Those violence were so gruesome, i still don't believe they happen so close to home.
PEACE, PEACE PEACE please

[orgoyot]

[cheptabkoret]

[Kimotwek]

my english is pretty standard, I believe. Give me our number i'll call you, then you can get a taste of it. I hate how Gideon and Uhuru tweng. They irritate me more than Bett. I am just asking that it be a mimimum, jusk like Ruto's or Kipkalya's.
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[Kazi_Bure]

I disagree with you'all. kipsigis people were used, abused and neglected with cabinet appointments. damn it. how can all 10 kipsgis constituencies, Trans Mara, Sotik, Bomet, Buret, Konoin, Belgut, Ainamoi, Kuresoi and Kipkelion get only 1 minister and 2 assistant ministers?. kaa nerech nea like my bros parv ak wkirui. kogwaldech Lemindet biikyok and I am disappointed even experts like bwana Al ArapToo doesn't agree with me. Altoo, is it true that Lemindet is claiming Ruto as a Kipsigis???? please Sir, enlighten me on that amun I see kipsigisyek have been cast aside.