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GENDY Senior Lecturer


Joined: 03 May 2007 Posts: 108 Location: NAIROBI Country: kenya
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Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 10:47 am Post subject: IS IT WRONG FOR A CHRISTIAN TO WORK IN BREWING C0. OR TOBACO |
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| this is a question we have been dealing for some weeks in Bible study with youths and i don't know if a Christians is good to work with a brewing company e.g Kenya wine agency, Tusker co. or BAT... pliz suggestion should be moral and based or facts in biblical or Koran.
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Edwin Visiting Assoc Professor


Joined: 16 Feb 2007 Posts: 196 Location: Eldoret Country: kenya
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Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 11:43 am Post subject: |
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| Christians who are strong in faith could use this as a way of reaching out and evangelizing those who are working there. There is no specific verses in the Bible or Koran that talk about this. If someone is weak in his or her faith, then he or she can be easily allured into drinking.
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preciousA Visiting Assoc Professor


Joined: 24 Apr 2007 Posts: 238 Location: kentucky Country: usa
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Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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i don't know about this one...
Edwin the person may not drink.. but does their working there facilitate others' drinking? But then again the same could be said of so many other occupations, so i guess its to each their own ......conscience-wise on whats right and not.
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cheptabkoret Chancellor


Joined: 17 May 2007 Posts: 816 Location: Nairobi Country: kenya
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Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 5:35 am Post subject: |
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i usually go drinking with two of my friends in a group of others, n they are saved... ofcourse they buy us a karao, while they take there sodas.......n we really enjoy their company......
so to the topic at hand..... what do u think Jesus would have done was he to be in modern times n he had been appointed the sales manager of breweries?????? _________________ Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there
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Edwin Visiting Assoc Professor


Joined: 16 Feb 2007 Posts: 196 Location: Eldoret Country: kenya
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Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 9:32 am Post subject: |
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| Cheptapkoret, what do you think He would have done???????
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GENDY Senior Lecturer


Joined: 03 May 2007 Posts: 108 Location: NAIROBI Country: kenya
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Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 9:39 am Post subject: |
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| someone to read eclessiastes chapter 2 and the whole of that chapter then conclude this issue if possible
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cheptabkoret Chancellor


Joined: 17 May 2007 Posts: 816 Location: Nairobi Country: kenya
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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 9:32 am Post subject: |
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| Edwin wrote: | | Cheptapkoret, what do you think He would have done??????? |
exactly what he did in that ka wedding................ take up the job, advocate for mwenjoyo, but reminds of the dangers of over indulging _________________ Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there
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GENDY Senior Lecturer


Joined: 03 May 2007 Posts: 108 Location: NAIROBI Country: kenya
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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| hey! cheptabkoret! we are missing the mark please! i thought this issue could have answered question mostly affecting young Christian in modern societies who in between religions and the world" outside believes" can heal the real meaning of this Q!
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Memo Tenured Professor


Joined: 31 Jan 2007 Posts: 568 Location: Nrb Country: kenya
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 5:03 am Post subject: |
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| is it right for a christian to drink? just a tiny lil bit? socially?
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GENDY Senior Lecturer


Joined: 03 May 2007 Posts: 108 Location: NAIROBI Country: kenya
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 5:39 am Post subject: |
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| im sorry i posted an issue which it didnt make sense to who ever had to critize but all in all whatever , the depth of a society depends on laws applied in that time.
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Rokiha Lecturer


Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Posts: 65 Location: Kitale Country: kenya
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Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 4:58 am Post subject: |
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The theologians will agree with me that the verses in the bilbe do contradicts each other (old & new testament). To me I don't see anything wrong with an individual working anywhere so long as he/she is strong in the faith.
After all even Jesus himself was at one time an agent of the brewing & he did facilitated the availability of keroro in plenty na tena tamu saidi in that wedding the way Cheptabkoret as pointed out.
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chitaabkoreet Undergraduate

Joined: 10 Apr 2008 Posts: 1 Location: nairobi Country: NULL
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Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:36 am Post subject: |
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| I think it is not right for us to imagine that a christian can work in abrewing company and still be effective in being the salt and the light of the world.The salt seeks to bring taste, and to preserve .I dont think it is in the mission of a christian to kill the body through promoting intake of alcohol.....The bible encourages us to exercise self control; an aspect that is compromised by alcohol intake,,,,,it is for this reason that alcohol is considered and proven to work against the christian principles of purity and integrity........let me ask anyone out there,,,how can you work to promote alcohol consumption and at the same time preach that the body is the temple of God that ought be kept pure????
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Cheptilda Visiting Assoc Professor


Joined: 03 Feb 2007 Posts: 157 Location: Köln Country: germany
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Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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Hey Chitaabkoret,any connections to Cheptabkoret? _________________
Thy Word is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my way.
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cheptabkoret Chancellor


Joined: 17 May 2007 Posts: 816 Location: Nairobi Country: kenya
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 2:38 am Post subject: |
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| Cheptilda wrote: | | Hey Chitaabkoret,any connections to Cheptabkoret? |
kwi!kwi! kwi.......me too...wanted to know, maybe, a brother somewhere....think i should change user name... _________________ Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there
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Cheptilda Visiting Assoc Professor


Joined: 03 Feb 2007 Posts: 157 Location: Köln Country: germany
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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No Cheptabkoret,don't change your user name,i happen to love it! _________________
Thy Word is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my way.
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Tarz Lecturer


Joined: 18 Feb 2008 Posts: 71 Location: Nairobi. Country: kenya
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Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 2:30 am Post subject: |
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| The question of wether its right or wrong to partake or make beer or cigarrete should lie highly on personal level,Lets leave cigarretes alone we know its direct effects....whats wrong with having 2 beers and choma on my way home from jobo,everything in life is poisonous including religion if taken in excess or abused otherwise it can be a therapy.If making the beer feeds my kids and rears my family believe me i will do it,u cant criticize me and whisk away nikisota if i quit my job coz of ua damn criticism.
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Rokiha Lecturer


Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Posts: 65 Location: Kitale Country: kenya
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:25 am Post subject: |
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| What about the earnings or profits from such ventures could it be right to donate kama 10% kwa church or in other words will it be wrong for kwal ama eabl to built a church somewhere in there CSR duties???
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Tarz Lecturer


Joined: 18 Feb 2008 Posts: 71 Location: Nairobi. Country: kenya
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 2:30 am Post subject: |
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| Rokiha wrote: | | What about the earnings or profits from such ventures could it be right to donate kama 10% kwa church or in other words will it be wrong for kwal ama eabl to built a church somewhere in there CSR duties??? |
@Rokiha,
Let me say am happy to be part of this corporates,and as u say their is nothing absolutely wrong with making 10% donations to the church,But if you monitor most of the CSR projects done by blue-chips they are directed either directly or indirectly to their consumers and where the impact can be positive to their bussiness,secondly they dont want to bring a conflict of intrest as in church n the other stuff.Can u imagine going to church with a billboard having a BAT sign as in "This church was Built courtesy of.......then the logo for cigarrete or beer lingers there????
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cheplaskei Undergraduate


Joined: 22 Mar 2008 Posts: 8 Location: Bakersfield California Country: usa
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 4:21 am Post subject: |
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The same might be applied to the following:
Would you as a pro-life activist work in an abortion clinic?. I don't know if there are there in Kenya, but the are very much in the open in the US. Can you let your beliefs come into play when in you work in a certain place?
My profession is one that comes in contact with people of all walks of life, but we have to put our feelings and believes behind and do what we need to do. Diversity is a difference to be celebrated and not critised.
On this issue, if you have to work in a brewery as a christian, it does not mean you are condoning or encouraging people to consume alcohol. Someone else would work there and make it.
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cheptabkoret Chancellor


Joined: 17 May 2007 Posts: 816 Location: Nairobi Country: kenya
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 10:01 am Post subject: |
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assuming one has no job at all and gets after tarmacking for like ages and gets called to join breweries as an accountant for example....now that is not a taster nor a marketer/salesman but work with figures. will one have to refuse to go work in there??? _________________ Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there
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