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preciousA Visiting Assoc Professor


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Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 11:43 am Post subject: Fistulas... very sad |
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Fistulas... ati whats that? i didn't know either until i saw this mama (Dr Hamlin) briefly on Oprah one time. basically complications from obstructive childbirth and so without medical care ...some gals have labour and push for even 5days ouch. Yaani halafu the incontinence and stink you get shunned by the community... what a life.
http://www.oprah.com/tows/pastshows/200401/tows_past_20040116_b.jhtml
The cases of those girls make you count your blessings ... coz unlike Ethiopia and some other muslim countries even though women in Kenya get a raw deal, girls are not married so young increasing the probability of young pregnancies and such consequences. To think theyve treated 24000 gals?
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Memo Tenured Professor


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Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 7:09 am Post subject: |
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a fistula is any type of necrotic hole from one thing to another on the body. Like a bladder to anal fistula, or vaginal to anal. Each more disgusting than the last.
It can b a big-ass thing that grows from,the ass.....my male work mate died from it.
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Chemosi Chancellor


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Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 9:07 am Post subject: |
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Is that So? no wonder those big buggy pants Indians wear in kenya are called festulas. They have a big as*s hole in the middle going from back to front. My goodness. _________________ Great spirits have always encountered opposition from mediocre minds.' Einstein. biikabkutit.com
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kensoy Lecturer


Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Posts: 74 Location: Eldoret Country: kenya
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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 7:10 am Post subject: |
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Funny thing about the indian pants, Chemosi! But on a serious note, fistulas are pathological communications between two epithelial surfaces in the body. Of most importance in our setting(kenya) are obstetric fistulas resulting from trauma or operative manipulation during child bearing. studies show a high prevalence of fistulas among communities who practice FGM and marry off their girls at young ages.
What i have seen personally is a case of recto-vaginal fistula i.e. faeces being passed thru the vagina, when i asked the patient about her sexual life, she said "Mzee tu anakuja na kufanya kazi yake...siwezi mkataza".!!! I have seem quite a number of Pokots with these conditions. We should tell our sisters out there with such conditions that there is treatment. (although mzee will have to 'kula bench' for kitu 6 months to facilitate healing!)
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altoo Chancellor


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Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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on a personal note, i dated this amharic Ethiopian chick Tigish Amredu five years ago & she told me her own older sister went thru a fistula coz she was too young to give birth at 12 years of age...wtf?...such things shouldn't be going on in our 21st century world, anywhere in our planet for that matter. ..I just wish they would castrate all them guys who impregnate these youngs girls just for the heck of it.........DAMN IT  _________________ a CITIZEN without POLITICAL KNOWLEDGE is a VIRTUAL CRIMINAL....when the POWER of LOVE overcomes the LOVE of POWER, the WORLD will know PEACE....I would rather be HATED for WHO I am than LOVED for WHAT I am not....LIVE FREE or DIE HARD!!!
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preciousA Visiting Assoc Professor


Joined: 24 Apr 2007 Posts: 238 Location: kentucky Country: usa
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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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| kensoy wrote: | | What i have seen personally is a case of recto-vaginal fistula i.e. faeces being passed thru the vagina, when i asked the patient about her sexual life, she said "Mzee tu anakuja na kufanya kazi yake...siwezi mkataza".!!! I have seem quite a number of Pokots with these conditions. We should tell our sisters out there with such conditions that there is treatment. (although mzee will have to 'kula bench' for kitu 6 months to facilitate healing!) |
kensoy... gross - ati pathological communications
omg... u mean this stuff happenz in Kenya, mi i've neva heard. Yes you hear early marriages but i've neva heard of this medical connection to it. That man should kula bench for 3yrs even (na which man is ready to go there when the recto-vagina fistula condition is there? eh! ati "anakuja na kufanya kazi yake"- haki men mm mm mh )... imagine tu the quality of life for that woman, aish hata kama ni bwana wooi wacha tukose tukae peke yetu. Na hawa pokots?... i'm not hating but dang they seem to have a lilttle bit of everything going on in that community hata kuolewa huko is getting scary.
And if this really happens, i wonder why there are no laws connected to such cases. Both for the gals parents and the husband himself this is ridiculous. I'm thinking about that boi over here who is in jail for having consentual blowjob with a fellow 17yr old and the poor bratha is doing time - we really need some serious consequences like this coz this is a bit much for me.
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rac Graduate


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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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| altoo wrote: | on a personal note, i dated this amharic Ethiopian chick Tigish Amredu five years ago  |
Did you make sure not to exasperate miss Tigish Amredu's hidden childhood fistula condition? _________________ Please don't sue me if I'm wrong
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altoo Chancellor


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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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| racmos wrote: | | altoo wrote: | on a personal note, i dated this amharic Ethiopian chick Tigish Amredu five years ago  |
Did you make sure not to exasperate miss Tigish Amredu's hidden childhood fistula condition? |
what?, racmos, it wasn't Tigish who had went thru the condition, it was her older sister  _________________ a CITIZEN without POLITICAL KNOWLEDGE is a VIRTUAL CRIMINAL....when the POWER of LOVE overcomes the LOVE of POWER, the WORLD will know PEACE....I would rather be HATED for WHO I am than LOVED for WHAT I am not....LIVE FREE or DIE HARD!!!
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kensoy Lecturer


Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Posts: 74 Location: Eldoret Country: kenya
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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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| preciousA wrote: |
omg... u mean this stuff happenz in Kenya, mi i've neva heard. Yes you hear early marriages but i've neva heard of this medical connection to it. That man should kula bench for 3yrs even (na which man is ready to go there when the recto-vagina fistula condition is there? eh! ati "anakuja na kufanya kazi yake"- haki men mm mm mh )... imagine tu the quality of life for that woman, aish hata kama ni bwana wooi wacha tukose tukae peke yetu. |
PreciousA,
U sound like u've never been to Kenya, health care is a whole different ball game hapa...i dont think fistulas would pass as dinner time conversations!One can only mourn at the kind of ignorance that prevails. Quite often, victims are sometimes disowned by their husbands and branded as "cursed". As for the men who actually venture there, u can only conclude that they are sick...yeah, real sick, just like ur 17yr old blow-job dispenser!!
On the other hand i dont think Altoo is giving us the full story...come clean bana, just tell us u've seen (or been in...) a fistula!!!!Hakuna ubaya!
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altoo Chancellor


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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 2:42 am Post subject: |
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| altoo wrote: | on a personal note, i dated this amharic Ethiopian chick Tigish Amredu five years ago & she told me her own older sister went thru a fistula coz she was too young to give birth at 12 years of age...wtf?...such things shouldn't be going on in our 21st century world, anywhere in our planet for that matter. ..I just wish they would castrate all them guys who impregnate these youngs girls just for the heck of it.........DAMN IT  |
Racmos & kensoy, am I missing something here?.....in ref to your feedback comments on my posting, I hereby encourage, urge & strongly suggest you re-read my statement above coz it's beyond me that anyone who can read can misinterprete, misunderstand and/or clearly take a sentence out of context the way you two seem to have clearly done  _________________ a CITIZEN without POLITICAL KNOWLEDGE is a VIRTUAL CRIMINAL....when the POWER of LOVE overcomes the LOVE of POWER, the WORLD will know PEACE....I would rather be HATED for WHO I am than LOVED for WHAT I am not....LIVE FREE or DIE HARD!!!
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preciousA Visiting Assoc Professor


Joined: 24 Apr 2007 Posts: 238 Location: kentucky Country: usa
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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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| kensoy wrote: |
PreciousA,
U sound like u've never been to Kenya, health care is a whole different ball game hapa...i dont think fistulas would pass as dinner time conversations!One can only mourn at the kind of ignorance that prevails. Quite often, victims are sometimes disowned by their husbands and branded as "cursed". As for the men who actually venture there, u can only conclude that they are sick...yeah, real sick, just like ur 17yr old blow-job dispenser!!
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i agree it obviously doesn't pass for dinner conversation- but given the extent of this condition/ injuries i'm surprised there is no outcry or anything like that. As much as theres the anti-FGM movement, ama anti rape etc... this should not go untold. Ask any kenyan on the street and 9 out of 10 will not know, which is a shame.
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kensoy Lecturer


Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Posts: 74 Location: Eldoret Country: kenya
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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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Hahaha!Altoo relax, just kidding with you!
Precious A...why dont you start an organisation to 'fight' these fistula problem, seems ur so touched. It doesnt have as much 'clout' as such issues like FGM but are definitely worth addressing. I know of a group of doctors who usually come to Kenya esp. MTRH in Eldoret to perform free surgery. This year i think kitu 20 or something women benefited from the exercise....i guess all of them will enjoy a Merry "Fistive" season!
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cheptabkoret Chancellor


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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 6:53 am Post subject: |
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the time i took to know it seriously was when, i read about a kid of seven years who was raped by the uncle... nxt thing was she was at nairobi women hospital for fistula.... kensoy can you explain to me the connection????? _________________ Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there
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kensoy Lecturer


Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Posts: 74 Location: Eldoret Country: kenya
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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Cheptabkoret,
The connection between sexual assault and fistula formation is quite straight forward and especially in this case, in a 7yr old. At 7 yrs definitely the girls sexual organs are not matured...immature epithelial surface, muscles and gland (so no lubrication)...Sexual assault is a violent act, the girls body is not able to withstand all that physical trauma (from the penetration).
Therefore she ends up with a perforated vagina or even uterus. These structures are in close approximation with the rectum and the bladder which are also torn in the process, therefore depending on the site of perforation, she can either have a recto-vaginal, utethro-vaginal or a vesico-vaginal fistula.
Such injuries require massive surgical reconstruction and are not without permanent sequelae eg. infertility and not to mention the permanent psychological effects.
Terrible thing this, thank God the cases of defilement have reduced...it had fikad a time they were the norm of the day.
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Chemosi Chancellor


Joined: 26 Dec 2006 Posts: 897 Location: Washington DC Country: usa
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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| kensoy wrote: | Cheptabkoret,
The connection between sexual assault and fistula formation is quite straight forward and especially in this case, in a 7yr old. At 7 yrs definitely the girls sexual organs are not matured...immature epithelial surface, muscles and gland (so no lubrication)...Sexual assault is a violent act, the girls body is not able to withstand all that physical trauma (from the penetration).
Therefore she ends up with a perforated vagina or even uterus. These structures are in close approximation with the rectum and the bladder which are also torn in the process, therefore depending on the site of perforation, she can either have a recto-vaginal, utethro-vaginal or a vesico-vaginal fistula.
Such injuries require massive surgical reconstruction and are not without permanent sequelae eg. infertility and not to mention the permanent psychological effects.
Terrible thing this, thank God the cases of defilement have reduced...it had fikad a time they were the norm of the day. |
God bless Biikabkutit I think we have an OBGYN Doctor among us.....watch out cheptabkoret and all those who might need some free "pep" talk. Did I say talk or smear? _________________ Great spirits have always encountered opposition from mediocre minds.' Einstein. biikabkutit.com
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kensoy Lecturer


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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Haha!Very funny Chemosi....! Maybe we can also organise 4 u a pap smear....for ur mouth maybe!
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preciousA Visiting Assoc Professor


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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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| kensoy wrote: | | i guess all of them will enjoy a Merry "Fistive" season! |
unajua wee ni jinga u have me laughing where i shouldn't be. And yes i am very touched infact depressed, atleast someone is doing something (the doctors you mentioned). With your description of the 7yr old gal case... this does not have the same "clout" as FGM???? Its just our culture that this nasty topic= taboo so we sweep it under the rug but not any more. They brought a castration law for rapists.. its probably time for it to be resurrected for fistula related cases. Kwanza this foolz don't really suffer medically unless maybe a case of gono/syphillis or something silly they okota somewhere is the worst they probably get yet this gals are traumatized - its not fair.
but no worries.. as soon as Cheptabkoret gets to parliament (which you and i will see to it) this will be taken care of.
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kensoy Lecturer


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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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| I didnt know Cheptabkoret if vying 4 bunge...Altoo and I are too (ainamoi and belgut respectively in 2012!) it seems tutakuwa wengi eeh! So no more problems for biikabkutit...i can give u all my CDF for fistula issues!!
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cheptabkoret Chancellor


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Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 10:49 am Post subject: |
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oh come on now people, as much as it might be a good idea to be a people spokesperson, our current political scenario is too violent and corrupt for me, so i will wait for kina kensoy and altoo to vie first and go clean the whole thing/ mess .... and not to mention my privacy. But something should be done to the rapists, especially paedophiles... stricter laws should be enhance... i support castration. _________________ Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there
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kensoy Lecturer


Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Posts: 74 Location: Eldoret Country: kenya
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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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Cheptabkoret,
That is exactly why u shud become an MP, so that u can fight against the menace of rapists and paedophiles...kama ni funds, we can raise for u!!!
And PreciousA, i can email u some more stuff on the subject if ur interested.
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