clan traditions!!!

[altoo]

Is it still illegal to marry within your clan or, considering we are in the 21st century now, they can cut you some slack and let it slide?..........pretty please, would anyone with the latest traditional statutes shed some light on this ASAP
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[SuraMbaya]

my guess is anything goes these days
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[Rokiha]

It hasn't been illegal in the first place...but trust me I don't know how it feels being with your cousin... anybody out there who has stried???

[cheptabkoret]

rokiha, ati???? it has neva been illegal??? where?........ it is illegal unless utumie kifua, when you sit in a koito meeting.. you will be fine... but some clan members are so distant in relation they let that one pass
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[Rokiha]

The legality or illegality all depends on whether the ancestors did sanction it!!!. We have families from the same clans who do marry each other but others from distant relations who don't.

But you have to accept that in a way we are all related.... somehow.

[cheptabkoret]

actually maybe they juz "count" how "thick" the blood relation is before terming it illegal and the taboo involved "mumeek",....
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[altoo]

U probably right about that coz in my Kipsigis culture, one is never allowed to marry a first second or even third cousin coz cousins are obviously more "blood related" to each other than clan members. dunno if it's the same in our other kalenjin sub-tribes but kipsigis gentlemen were always advised against marrying a lady from his clan and my question was whether that rule has changed or it is still in effect
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[cheptabkoret]

in my own tribe, one is rarely allowed to marry from their own clan, and also from some few select clans... usually clans associated with high tendencies of madmen, suicidical cases, witches or murderers. These stereotyping still exist till to date...... , actually interclan marriages were purely discourage in order to avoid some form of incest, leading to weaker generation and in some cases to break clan lineage curses.
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[Rokiha]

In real essence, marriage should be conducted the way both of you have stated. And that is why during the koito ceremony the wazees will always want to go for that family with the distant relations so long as they don't have those characteristics cheptabkoret has outlined. But this norm seem to be slowly fading away especially with the upcoming youths and it should be discouraged by all kales sub tribes.

There is this case I read the other day (though far away from our country) whereby a married daughter had her embryo implanted in her mothers womb and she successfully carried it until full term when she delivered twins. Who's children are the twins and should we be seeing more of this???

[SuraMbaya]

bwana rokiha, I read that too and i don't think it will happen in Kenya any time soon despite the fact it is common practice in the western world. I guess the twins get to be their mom's sisters although given they came from her embroy they are her daughters biologically but at least the grandma can claim to have given birth to to her granddaughters as well
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[cheptabkoret]

does that mean, the lady is carrying the children of his son-in -law, and what will be the relationship after?? mother of my wife or mother of my children????
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[altoo]

[cheptabkoret]

there is this tradition that exist in some subtribes, where a wife is allowed to have one child out of wed lock, so as to neutralize clan curses or genetic defects, i mean like if you have say five children, one of them will likely not belong to the man of the house, that is why it is very true that it is only the mother who really knows who the father is.... though the "waiver" is for one child, some have been known to abuse the priviledge....hehehe....ukishaonja asali!!!!!!
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[Rokiha]

Yeah..!! there were penalities to it and among them was that the lady was send off with the benefits of the privilege...

But is it still going on??? . Bwana Edwin aongesee hii kwa maombi.

[cheptabkoret]

rokiha!!!! now how would they have known about the benefits, since hakuna DNA test anywhere, the only unlucky ones are those who gave birth to those kids whose phenotypical characteristics could easily be linked to particular culprits, but those mamas(and all her visiting friends) had a way of convincing the man of the house that the kid is his...... ati masikio ni kama ya babake kabisa... ata akicheka ni kama baba nani!!! hey!!!! and the poor man will buy it hook and all..... hehehe it is a woman world after all....
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[SuraMbaya]

legend has it that wanawake wa mtaa would get together, inspect the child and promptly declare that the kid was a spitting image of the father amun the ears, the toes, the eyes and the head was just like the old man's
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[cheptabkoret]

[Rokiha]

How about kerkeei itit ak nebo kogo???? they will once in a while say that..... don't they?????......

[altoo]

[Nyiganet]

I heard from my own bomori that back in them days, it didn't really matter who the kid's father was, as long as the child was male and healthy, it would be welcomed to the clan irrespective of who the real father was because the goal was to have as many members of a given clan as possible so as to enable the clan to fight off the perceived enemies. sounds to me like it was definitely survival for the fittest
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